Saturday, September 15, 2007

First prompts for The Birth of Tragedy

** On Page 8, Nietzsche claims that "The Greeks knew and felt the terror and horror of existence. That he might endure the this terror at all, he had to interpose between himself and life the radiant dream-birth of the Olympians." Discuss this, paying special attention to the role of Apollo, the God of dreams.

** What is the relationship between Dionysus and pain, grief, and suffering?

** Nietzsche claims that Euripides (the author of "The Bacchae") is the "murderer of Greek tragedy." Explian.

** How is the Socratic dialogue a new type of art. Is it a replacement for tragedy? Is it better or worse than tragedy?

10 comments:

Mike Utych said...

** Nietzsche claims that Euripides (the author of "The Bacchae") is the "murderer of Greek tragedy." Explain.

Neitzsche says Euripides is the "murderer of Greek tragedy" because Euripides successfully drove Dionysus out of Greek tragedy. Neitzsche talks about two audiences for Euripides, himself and Socrates. Although Dionysus is not the sole element of Greek tragedy, he is necessary for it, and Euripides drove him out of it.

jannis1 said...

Nietzsche describes Greek tragedy as a combination of Apollo and Dionysus. Without this combination, the art of tragedy would not exist. Euripedes took Greek tragedy and removed the Dionysus elements. He felt that Dionysus should be destroyed, if he was not so powerful of a god. By removing an essential element of this powerful art, it unravels and is quickly destroyed.

Vitali Bendiak said...

** Nietzsche claims that Euripides (the author of "The Bacchae") is the "murderer of Greek tragedy." Explain.

Euripides is claimed to be the murderer of Greek Tragedy b/c Euripides took Dionysus out the Greek Tragedy. Dionysus is important to Greek tragedy and him being taken out really hurt the Tragedy. Euripides YOU MURDERER!

...and Enide said...

Dionysus is associated with pain and suffering because they are the opposite of pleasure and self loss. According to Nietzsche, eternal contradiction is the father of all things. In all pleasure there is a little pain. Even if it is the pain of the loss of pleasure at its end.

haparicio1 said...

Nietzche claims that Euripides is the murderer of greek tragedy because euripedes made dionysus not part of of greek tragedy. How ever, Dionysus is not the only person of greek tragedy but euripedes made him leave out of it.

Cory 2200 said...

** What is the relationship between Dionysus and pain, grief, and suffering?

Dionysus I believe is the gateway to both acknowledging pain and dealing with it. I don't hardly believe this applies, but just how gangsta would I be if I could somehow bring it around to make sense? So let's try:
I was watching some movie, recently -- Feast of Love. Don't see it, it's pretty gay, but the movie starts with Morgan Freeman narrating, "It was believed that the gods created humans because they were bored. Then they were still bored, so they created love. Then they weren't bored anymore, so they decided to try it for themselves.. Then they created laughter, so that they may bare it."
Pain and sorrow have always been there. Pain (or some muted version of such, boredom, in this case, then later, truthfully enough, love) is relieved by joy (laughter). Where the day to day may veer your eye toward the duty at hand, the works of Dionysus only make sense when you stare at these miseries of the world, see them them, and accept them, first. Song and dance, drinking or smoking to escape - whatever it may be, don't you have to in at least the faintest and vague of manners visit and realize the pains of which you wish to escape? Or sing?
As long as we live, as we feel, as we exist - we will never know true joy.. (a piece from the book that still grips me) With that in mind, all that the ways of Dionysus provide - can I don't think could ever be or expect to be interpreted as joy -- no, I think, instead, that this voyage to chaos and loss of self, are merely the tragic and horrible song and dance of man - no real escape from the ever-pursuing and relentless suffering of the world, ever. Just the scaling of an impossible wall in hopes of escape, that to a god must be a heart-wrenching watch.

christina picchetti said...

Nietzsche claims that Euripides is the "murderer of Greek tragedy." Explain.

Nietzsche thinks that Euripides is the "murderer of Greek tragedy" because he failed to recognize Dionysus who is essential in Greek tragedy. He also emphasizes his characters as rational human beings rather than as impulsive heroes. Euripides is more or less the father of modern tragedy because he uses the common man as his hero.

Kori Orr said...

Dionysus is the god of music and art in general. Truly great artists are molded from having experienced pain, suffering, grief, loss, etc. To truly appreciate pleasure, one must know pain first and vice versa.

latoya.lee said...

** Nietzsche claims that Euripides (the author of "The Bacchae") is the "murderer of Greek tragedy." Explain.

Greek tragedy is meant to include both Apollo and Dionysus. However, Nietzsche drove Dionysus out leaving it unbalanced and not in its original state. Therefore, penned the murderer of Greek tragedy. Driving Dionysus out, what a tragedy, indeed!

Jeff said...

Nietzsche claims that Euripides (the author of "The Bacchae") is the "murderer of Greek tragedy." Explain.

Nietzscht claims that Euripides is the "murderer of Greek tragedy" simply because he took Dionysis out of Greek tragedy.